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51. Friday, December 8, 2006 10:23 AM
ali_hadz RE: Your Religious Beliefs


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I can't say I particularly understand that quote, but from what I do take from it i'm not sure I agree.

 
52. Friday, December 8, 2006 11:11 AM
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I'll take a stab at it, Ali.  I take the quote to mean that NOT believing in God -- a fairly large and inclusive concept in the first place -- opens one up to all sorts of wilder, disparate notions.  It's pretty hard to believe in a negative -- "nothing."  Something about the human mental configuration craves at least some level of belief in the supernatural, the mystical and the magic.  If you discount all varieties of God that have been conjured by other humans throughout all written human history, what remains is... everything.  Anything.

At least that's how I interpret the quote.  I'll have to read more of what he has to say though.  Isolated quotes generally don't have enough to flesh out full philosophies.  This one is a good start though. One thing I did read about Chesterton is that he is the Christian thinker most often quoted by atheists, so that perks my interest.  Plus his hanging with Bertrand Russell means there had to have been lively discussion on the subject of God with plenty of challenges in both directions.

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53. Friday, December 8, 2006 11:30 AM
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I did find this online:

"To defend the honour of G.K. Chesterton, actually he never even said the quote about "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing, they believe in anything". It's a paraphrase of a statement made by Emile Cammaerts in his book "The Laughing Prophet" (1937) when Cammaerts was reviewing the Father Brown story "The Oracle of the Dog". Chesterton has Brown say "It's the first effect of not believing in God that you lose your common sense", which Cammaerts paraphrases as "The first effect of not believing in God is to believe in anything".

Certainly Chesterton was a great fan of the epigrammatic paradox and the remark may sound like one of his, but it isn't."

But it's not exactly from the most reliable of sources, so i'm not sure. http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/lewis_baston/2006/04/no_bread_plenty_of_circuses.html

 
54. Friday, December 8, 2006 12:27 PM
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"It's the first effect of not believing in God that you lose your common sense"

As a "non-believer" this statement puzzles me.

 
55. Friday, December 8, 2006 1:02 PM
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This is also quite interesting: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32419

 
56. Friday, December 8, 2006 1:34 PM
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From that article:
"You don't really mean that, do you?"


I can only hear Orson Welles' voice saying these words. IN July?

 
57. Saturday, December 9, 2006 10:06 AM
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NO ONE in my warehouse is religious at all, thank God.. uh, Godfrey Cambridge!!!

 
58. Saturday, December 9, 2006 10:29 AM
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 Lol ! Yes, I was surprised by what I found at the new office. One of the Black chicks was listening to the rap station 105. All the DJs I noticed were mentioning God and prayers . Huh? I guess those concepts go with the hood ? and maybe even thug life ? One of the station's DJs- Blaze -had been shot 16 times recently and his gold chain stolen. The station was suggesting prayers for Blaze and asking God to help stop the street violence... Notice how many rappers thank God and mention praying.

Just reporting what I hear. I hope Blaze recovers.

 
59. Saturday, December 9, 2006 10:46 AM
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and Kum Kum who I would guess is a Buddist girl in my department.


Why was the first thought that popped into my head: "I wonder if she works for minimum wage? You know, 5 dorrah."

 
60. Saturday, December 9, 2006 10:51 AM
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 Lol ! Yes, I was surprised by what I found at the new office. One of the Black chicks was listening to the rap station 105. All the DJs I noticed were mentioning God and prayers . Huh? I guess those concepts go with the hood ? and maybe even thug life ? One of the station's DJs- Blaze -had been shot 16 times recently and his gold chain stolen. The station was suggesting prayers for Blaze and asking God to help stop the street violence... Notice how many rappers thank God and mention praying.

Just reporting what I hear. I hope Blaze recovers.

MOST rappers SHOULD thank "God", as their success surely isn't due to talent. And is 16 bullets more than "Fiddy" got capped in HIS ass? It's a NEW RECORD!!!
 

 
61. Saturday, December 9, 2006 10:56 AM
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QUOTE:MOST rappers SHOULD thank "God", as their success surely isn't due to talent.
Could you perform a song with the chipmunks as backup singers without getting laughed off stage? That's akin to talent.

 
62. Saturday, December 9, 2006 11:03 AM
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QUOTE:MOST rappers SHOULD thank "God", as their success surely isn't due to talent.
Could you perform a song with the chipmunks as backup singers without getting laughed off stage? That's akin to talent.

  And WHO are you referencing here?  Actually, I'm planning on doing the upcoming Elvis Invitationals AS The Chipmunks (Alvis, Simon & Strong Bad) . Me, my son, & his girlfriend. We're hoping for laughs...

 
63. Saturday, December 9, 2006 11:07 AM
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And WHO are you referencing here?
It just seems like that is the latest trend in the hip hop rap community. I don't know, I'm pretty white.

 
64. Saturday, December 23, 2006 3:00 PM
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Here's the story on Carl Blaze--at least 13 shots-I heard 16.

Popular New York D.J. is Shot and Robbed

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- A popular New York hip-hop disc jockey is fighting for his life after being shot at least 13 times in a robbery.

Carl Blaze is hospitalized in critical condition. Police say he was shot outside a Manhattan apartment building and his jewelry was taken.

Blaze, who is 30 and whose real name is Carlos Rivera, is heard on a New York radio station (Power 105-point-one F-M). The station says he broadcasts Friday nights and Saturday nights to more than two (m) million listeners.

Fans have been expressing their anguish and prayers on the air and online.

A resident of the building says she heard gunshots and called out on her intercom to the lobby, where Blaze told her he had been shot and needed help.

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65. Saturday, December 9, 2006 3:03 PM
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And WHO are you referencing here?
It just seems like that is the latest trend in the hip hop rap community. I don't know, I'm pretty white.
  I'm white & there's nothin' "pretty" about it.  I don't watch MTV or listen to "pop" radio, so I'm in the dark too. I respect old school rap, because much of it was truly innovative, humorous and/or positive.  Gangsta rap perpetuates negative stereotypes & exploitative dead-end choices, plus most of it is lazy, formulaic & predictable. Bold  advancement of the language does NOT consist of throwing "izzle" into the mizzle.  But after seeing Jesus Camp, I do know that there is kickin' Christian rap. HALLELU-YIZZLE!!!
 

 
66. Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:59 PM
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Just to set the record staight on Fiddy and his number of bullet wounds from his shooting incident. According to this biography link it was only 9 bullet wounds. I thought it was higher.

http://www.quotemonk.com/authors/50-cent/biography-profile.htm

Rap is indeed repititious, formulaic and often deals with negative subjects. I have to admit however, that rolling with my girls, my crew I found my Anglo head bobbing to one of the cuts last Friday.      These girls are not hoodlums by the way, they are just nice kids working for a living.

And yes Booth that name Kum Kum is quite a handle. : )

 
67. Saturday, December 23, 2006 3:03 PM
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Bad news follow up on the above duscussion : Thirty year old NY DJ Blaze, a guy with a wife and two kids -one 1 y.o. one 8 y.o.

has just died this afternooon from wounds inflicted in a street crime robbery for a gold chain. Crazy. Carl Blaze, I have learned the past couple weeks, was beloved by the Black and Latino New York communities as an unassuming, generous all around laid back guy.

Rest in Peace Carl Blaze- Carlos Rivera. I know my work crew is feeling down. 

 
68. Tuesday, January 2, 2007 11:25 PM
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I was raised as a Roman Catholic but I'm Jewish by default (it's nice to have a default religious setting because it's like having all bases covered) but I became a Buddhist, complete with Tibetan name, in '95. I do a Buddhist meditation twice daily but mainly for some very tangible rewards: quieting my mind, focusing my attention, insight into situations, actions, or behaviors. I am really an atheist: when I'm not contemplating mass murder I choose to regard all the gods I know of as aspects of the Self (all the gods within you, as J. Campbell used to say) or as an archetypal expressions of the collective human consciousness. Thor Heyerdahl said "Some people believe in fate, others don't. I do and I don't". If the sentiment can be extended to religious devotion as a matter of faith than I concur. As far as faith is concerned I don't believe and yet I believe. Perhaps this makes me more truly an agnostic rather than an atheist but it depends, really, on who wants to know and whether or not they regard 'god' as something external to themselves (something they stand in relationship to), or as something both within and without, a decidedly, though certainly not exclusively, oriental approach.


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69. Monday, May 14, 2007 7:33 PM
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I saw this in the current issue of Chicago magazine - a quiz to answer the question "What religion should I be?" http://www.beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html  (the Belief-o-matic personality quiz at beliefnet.com)

According to this, I'm a secular humanist.

(I also took the "What is my political affiliation?" quiz http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html - the World's Smallest Political Quiz at theadvocates.org - it says I'm a centrist, and here I thought I was a liberal, and the "Am I a dork?" quiz http://nerdtests.com/ft_nq.php - the Nerd test at nerdtests.com - my results were "not nerdy, but definitely not hip" and I'm sure I'm more nerdy than that.)

 

 
70. Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:42 PM
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100% Theraveda Buddhism on that one. Interesting.

 
71. Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:19 PM
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Spiritual Atheist


"The only thing that Columbus discovered was that he was lost"
 
72. Saturday, March 29, 2008 4:08 AM
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Wasn't raised religious, but went to Christian schools. I became baptised as a Born Again Christian at the age of 27 in 2005. Since that's happened, I went through quite a few upsetting experiences (namely my wife suffering a miscarriage, and my father dying) which kind of made me wander off the path. But I never lost my faith. Just stopped talking to God cause I didn't think He was listening anymore.

I'm 30 now, and slowly but surely, I think I'm finding my way back. I still sin of course (who doesn't?) but I'm praying again, talking to God again, and have not been afraid to ask Him for His help. I just hopes He's forgiven me for straying off the path the way I did. I've asked Him for one particular favour, and hopefully He'll grant this prayer to me. He's never let me down before. I just keep letting Him down... :(

 

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