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1. Sunday, November 5, 2006 9:39 AM
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Soon, I'd expect, unless Ramsey Clark (or his other lackey attorneys) have some tricks up his sleeve to appeal his client's death sentence.  Uh, let's see.  The DNA test was compromised.  A Shiite cop planted evidence against his client?  Not sure about Iraqi jurisprudence but I have the sense this is the final judgment.

Whaddever, it's a little late and I can't help but feel a death like that of his two sons would have been preferable.  

So which is better now -- Abu Ghraib or death by hanging?  Gitmo? 

From the US newspaper of record. 

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2. Sunday, November 5, 2006 10:22 AM
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3. Sunday, November 5, 2006 12:36 PM
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And the verdict comes just in time for the U.S. midterm elections, hmm....

 Yes, go ahead, somebody should jump in and say they new a crazy leftie would say this and what a conspiracy and yadda yadda yadda.  Having watched U.S. political ad's at naseum these past few months and having seen the comments about the Haggard and Foley timing just to name a few it just goes to show you that everything is suspect in October and November!

Anyway, being the pacifist that I am and being against the death penalty I would prefer to see him sentenced to solitary confinement for the rest of his natural life, I realise I am in a very small minority with that opinion though.


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4. Sunday, November 5, 2006 12:50 PM
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I'll pretend you were serious about coininky dinky timing, Danwhy.  There is always something that can be called "Hmmmmmm, Coincidence????" when you are dealing with the All Powerful Darth Bu$h & Co.  If not the verdict in the Saddam trial, it would have been something else.  And time marches on.

Btw, was it a surprise that there was an ongoing trial of Saddam?

Was the judge prodded to time the close of the trial for the US elections?

Was the verdict a shock?

Is the sentence a stunning news bulletin?

No to all of the above.  I doubt if one US vote will be altered as a result.

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5. Sunday, November 5, 2006 1:40 PM
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I agree with you on the death penalty Danwhy.
There's no justice in that.
I wouldnt shed a tear though. 


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6. Sunday, November 5, 2006 3:13 PM
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I see this item differently than any of you guys. Not the timing plan part or the capital punishment issue.

Anything that shows or reminds voters of Iraq in the news ( I think ) can be a negative for the Reps. If the polls are correct on Iraq opinions of course. Or maybe not. News on the economy -like low unemployment . stock markets at record highs --a positive. (Those we had , but not covered to any extent. )

 
7. Sunday, November 5, 2006 4:45 PM
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I won't shed a tear either Jazz. 


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8. Sunday, November 5, 2006 7:40 PM
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Hundreds of Iraqi-Australians have been dancing in the street in celebration.

I'm not for the death penalty, especially for Islamapsychos - but glad to see him found guilty.

Will they execute him, or continue with the 11 other trials?

 
9. Monday, November 6, 2006 5:50 AM
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I was wondering when someone would suggest that Saddam's conviction may be politically motivated.

Lest we forget that the conviction was supposed to come last summer but because of the multiple lawyer killings, and Saddam's own court grand-standing, the length of the trial just grew. Guess Bush called for those killings and asked Saddam to grandstand just so that the conviction could be made around the US election. That sounds like a good ol' conspiracy.

I have to agree with Raymond on this though. Any Iraq news coverage days before an election is generally not good for Republicans if the polls are accurate. The reason is because attached to each Saddam is going to be partying with Satan soon article, there is also the reminder that a high number of US deaths happened  last month and the ongoing problems. 

But it looks like Karl and George disagree with Raymond and I - from the NY Times:

Bush Trumpets Iraq Verdict to Rally Support
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and JIM RUTENBERG
WASHINGTON, Nov. 5 — President Bush on Sunday seized on the conviction of Saddam Hussein as a milestone in Iraq, seeking to rally Republican voters with the issue of national security as some polls suggested that his party might be making gains in the final hours of the campaign.

The White House said the timing of the announcement, two days before Election Day, had nothing to do with American politics and had been dictated by the Iraqi court. But Mr. Bush moved quickly to put it to use in what has been his central strategic imperative over the past week, trying to rouse Republican voters to turn out.

“Today we witnessed a landmark event in the history of Iraq: Saddam Hussein was convicted and sentenced to death by the Iraqi High Tribunal,” Mr. Bush said to roars of approval in a hockey auditorium packed with supporters in Grand Island, Neb. “Saddam Hussein’s trial is a milestone in the Iraqi people’s efforts to replace the rule of a tyrant with the rule of law.”

The announcement out of Baghdad came as polls suggested some gains for Republicans. A Pew Research Center Survey released on Sunday found that the number of likely voters who said they would vote for the Democrats was now 47 percent compared with 43 percent who said they would vote for Republicans. Two weeks ago, Democrats had an edge of 50 to 39. A Washington Post-ABC News poll found a similar tightening.

These kinds of polls, about the so-called generic ballot, measure national trends and do not necessarily provide an accurate measure of what is happening in individual House and Senate races. Andrew Kohut, the president of the Pew Center, said the poll nonetheless found that Republicans were becoming more enthusiastic as Election Day approached, a sign that the party was making progress in addressing one of its main problems this year: a dispirited base.

With at least 20 House races and 3 Senate races virtually tied in polls over the past week, Republican officials have looked to the huge voter turnout operation the party has developed over the past six years as its last-stand defense to prevent Democrats from making big gains on Tuesday.

A series of Mason-Dixon polls published on Sunday suggested a tightening in two Senate races, Rhode Island and Maryland, that Democrats had been confident of winning.

Republicans over the past week have spent heavily in Maryland on behalf of Michael Steele, the Republican candidate seeking to fill the seat being vacated by Senator Paul S. Sarbanes, a Democrat. In Rhode Island, Senator Lincoln Chafee, the Republican, has spent heavily and banked on his family’s long history in the state’s politics to help him survive in a heavily Democratic state.

Ken Mehlman, the Republican chairman, said polls showed that Republicans and conservatives “were coming home,” which he said “is what happens when voters focus on the choice before them.”

Representative Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, the Democrat leading his party’s effort to win control of the House, said, “It’s inevitable that there would be some tightening in the end.”

Still, Mr. Emanuel, who has been careful this campaign to avoid the public expressions of optimism voiced by other Democrats, added, “This is making me nervous.”

Across the country, Democrats also hailed the verdict in Baghdad but argued that it would make no difference in delivering stability to Iraq and would have little bearing on Tuesday’s vote.

“I think it’s a great verdict — I mean, Saddam Hussein is a war criminal and he’s getting what he deserves,” Howard Dean, the Democratic national chairman, said on “This Week” on ABC. “But I don’t think it has any impact on the safety of America.”

Representative John P. Murtha, the Pennsylvania Democrat who has become the face of his party’s opposition to the war in Iraq, said the verdict was the right one but predicted it would not make a difference in this campaign. What would matter more, Mr. Murtha said, were editorials in military papers being published Monday calling for the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

“When The Army Times, The Navy Times, The Marine Corps Times, they have all said that we’re not supporting the troops, that they’re losing confidence with the administration, that’s what’s important,” Mr. Murtha said, campaigning in Croydon, Pa., outside Philadelphia, for Patrick Murphy, a Democrat seeking to unseat Representative Michael G. Fitzpatrick.

The fact that Mr. Bush was spending this last Sunday before Election Day in two of the most Republican states in the nation was testimony to how bleak a year this has been for the Republican Party and the president. And in Florida, the home state of his brother, Mr. Bush received what appeared to be another reminder of his political unpopularity when Charlie Crist, the Republican candidate for governor, backed out of a planned appearance with Mr. Bush in Pensacola on Monday.

Mr. Crist said that he needed to spend the day in more competitive parts of the state and that he was not joining the list of other Republican candidates who had snubbed Mr. Bush this year.

The White House, however, said this week that the president was heading to Florida specifically to help Mr. Crist, who, according to Tony Fratto, a White House spokesman, invited Mr. Bush in the first place.

But an official with Mr. Crist’s campaign, who would not talk for attribution, said that Mr. Crist had never confirmed the appearance.

On the final Sunday of the election cycle, the leaders of the four Congressional campaign committees took their seats around the table of “Meet the Press” on NBC, appearing together for the first time in the midterm contest — and promptly diving into a sharp exchange over the war in Iraq.

“To pull out, to withdraw from this war, is losing, there’s no question about it,” said Senator Elizabeth Dole of North Carolina, the chairwoman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. “The Democrats appear to be content with losing.”

Mr. Emanuel, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, turned sharply toward Mrs. Dole, his face lined with outrage.

“You should take that back, Senator,” he said. But Mrs. Dole kept speaking over him, creating a minute of partisan cacophony on the television set.

“I will not sit idly by with an accusation that Democrats are content with losing,” Mr. Emanuel said.

Mr. Bush was unambiguous in hailing the conviction of Mr. Hussein as welcome news from a country where good reports have been in short supply this election season. That said, there have frequently been developments in Iraq over the past two years that Mr. Bush has proclaimed as turning points, only to see them followed by renewed violence and further deterioration.

And while these announcements of Iraqi milestones have at times produced a lift for Mr. Bush in the polls, the gains have tended to be fleeting.

Still, just before an election that is this close, Republicans suggested that the events of Sunday could be politically helpful.

A senior Republican Party official, who insisted on anonymity to speak about the political implications of the announcement, said it would invigorate Republican voters distressed about Iraq but would not have much effect beyond that. And Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, who is heading the Democratic effort to win back the Senate, said, “People are worried about the future of Iraq, not the past.”

Senior aides to Mr. Bush scoffed at suggestions that the announcement of the verdict had somehow been orchestrated by the White House.

“Are you smoking rope?” Tony Snow, the White House spokesman, said Saturday in anticipation of the verdict. “Are you telling me that in Iraq, that they’re sitting around — I’m sorry, that the Iraqi judicial system is coming up with an October surprise?”

White House officials were clearly prepared for the news, posing Mr. Bush before Air Force One to make a celebratory announcement as he left Waco, Tex., and inserting remarks about it into his speeches. On Sunday morning, Mr. Snow made a round of the talk shows to praise the development, echoed throughout the day by Republican surrogates and candidates.

Representative J. D. Hayworth, a Republican in a close race in Arizona’s Fifth Congressional District, used a previously scheduled early morning appearance on the Fox News Channel show “Fox and Friends” to declare the Hussein sentence “a victory for the Iraqi people.” Mr. Hayworth said it offered Americans heading to the polls “a chance to take stock” of the war’s dividends.

From California to Missouri to Connecticut, candidates put up their final advertisements.

In Pennsylvania, Karen Santorum, Senator Rick Santorum’s wife, speaks directly into the camera in a 60-second advertisement, looking almost mournful as she says that she has found attacks on her family for living in Virginia hurtful, explaining that they moved there to be closer to Mr. Santorum when he is working.

 


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10. Monday, November 6, 2006 8:03 AM
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I'm against the death penalty.

At this stage almost 3 years after the regime change I'm not sure what purpose executing Saddam will serve anyway.

I'm sure the Nuremberg trials only took a year to convict and try dozens of war criminals including Hitler's cabinet.

This one has taken an age and has been far from convincing.

Still I wonder what the average Iraqi thinks. Will this help them rebuild their country? 


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11. Monday, November 6, 2006 10:10 AM
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Every time a heinous monster -- a serial killer or a child rapist killer -- is convicted and assigned the death penalty, it seems the initial response from adversaries of the death penalty is a statement of  their opposition to capital punishment. I do not believe in the death penalty...

Okay, fine.  But suddenly the subject changes from the convicted criminal and his crimes to the cosmic value of the death penalty.  Is it a deterrant?  What good will it do?  Esoteric flotsam of the distant uninvolved. 

We can shift the subject to the death penalty in general if everyone wants to.  But I'd rather not.  Pretty sure I know each and every one of the pros and cons of those arguments. 

Israel doesn't have a death penalty.  EXCEPT for crimes against humanity such as the convicted Nazis who were executed in Israel.  They also have a very small population along with a low murder rate. 

In my mind the only true justice for those convicted of the most heinous of crimes -- particularly crimes against humanity for which Saddam Hussein clearly qualifies -- is the ultimate penalty:  Death.  Anything else trivializes the crime and further defiles the victims and their survivors.

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12. Monday, November 6, 2006 5:33 PM
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Okay, okay, so I notice I did ask which was better -- hanging or Abu Ghraib, etc. My mistake.

Now let's talk about hanging. It looks like the date will be in the not too distant future -- January. I didn't expect a 25 year series of appeals such as we have in the US and A. I also think it's a good thing that it be done behind the scenes and not a Marie Antoinette style spectacle.

Susan

Times Online November 06, 2006

Saddam will be hanged 'by end-January'




The former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein will be hanged by the end of January, a senior member of Nouri al-Maliki’s Dawa party predicted today as an around-the-clock curfew kept the lid on sectarian violence after the deposed dictator was sentenced to death.

"I don’t think it will drag on beyond January of next year," said MP Haider al-Abadi, who is a confidant to the Iraqi Prime Minister.

The 69-year-old strongman was sentenced to death yesterday for ordering a brutal crackdown that claimed the lives of 148 Shia from the village of Dujail, north of Baghdad, after a 1982 assassination attempt on his life.

Iraq’s high tribunal also handed the death penalty to Saddam’s half-brother Barzan al-Tikriti, as well as Awad Ahmed al-Bandar, the head of the ousted regime’s Revolutionary Court, the man who recommended that the 148 Dujailis be executed.

Saddam's former vice-president, Taha Yassin Ramadan, received a life sentence, while three Baath party officials from Dujail received up to 15 years and a fourth, more junior, figure was cleared.

Iraqi law includes an automatic appeal for death and life sentences. A nine-judge appellate chamber will start to review Saddam’s case within 30 days.

The high tribunal will forward its judicial ruling to the appellate chamber in the next ten days. Once the document is delivered, the prosecution and defence have 20 days to submit their arguments to the appeals judges.

When this month-long period ends, the appellate chamber will study the case, but it has no deadline for issuing a decision. If the judges decide to uphold the verdict, Saddam, al-Tikriti and al-Bandar will be hanged within 30 days.

Abadi was confident that the chamber would complete its judicial review within a month of receiving all the legal arguments.

"The chamber can take as long as it wants, but it should not delay," he told The Times.

"Everyone is eager to have Saddam executed… It is important that we make these people supporting him feel there is no hope (that he will come back) so the killings and the bombings stop."

Abadi guessed that the defence would wait until early December to submit their legal arguments to the chamber in order to delay Saddam’s hanging. But Mr Abadi was confident that the appeals judges would then breeze through their review.

Saddam’s execution will probably take place in a closed room inside an Iraqi prison, most likely in Baghdad in the presence of Iraqi government officials and private citizens, whose families suffered under the dictator’s reign, a government official told The Times on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic.

Some journalists and non-governmental organisations would also attend, the source added.

Meanwhile a curfew that was slapped on Baghdad on Saturday night to stave off reprisals by Saddam loyalists after the verdict was due to be lifted at 6 am on Tuesday, said Basam Ridha, an official advisor to Mr al-Maliki.

Despite the curfew, a Sunni mosque was burnt down yesterday Shia militants in southwestern Baghdad, Iraq’s Islamic Party said on its website. North of Baghdad, a US Army helicopter crashed, killing two soldiers in Saddam’s home province of Salahaddin Monday, but the military said there was no evidence that the aircraft had come under fire.

 


     
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13. Tuesday, November 7, 2006 2:44 AM
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Every time a heinous monster -- a serial killer or a child rapist killer -- is convicted and assigned the death penalty, it seems the initial response from adversaries of the death penalty is a statement of their opposition to capital punishment. I do not believe in the death penalty..

Um, isn't that what people who don't support the death penalty do?

This thread is about capital punishment and furthermore Saddam was not a child rapist killer or a serial killer (to my knowledge at least). As a former head of state should he not be treated as a special case - like, say Millosevic.  

I think executing him so long after his capture will just elevate his status to 'matyr' amongst some of the disaffected populace, ex-Baathists, Tikritis and other Saddam supporters. After all Saddam has had 3 years to rebuild his image since the humiliation of being found hiding in a 'rat-hole'.

I would settle for life imprisonment, no matyrdom and a long time to reflect on all the misery he caused.


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14. Tuesday, November 7, 2006 9:04 AM
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I have mixed feelings about the trial of Saddam and the sentence handed down to him but I can help feeling that it is the right thing for Iraq.

I remember watching an eerie documentary a couple of years back which showed footage of that day in Dujail. It showed scenes of Shia women cheering, chanting his name, and bowing at his feet , just after the assasination attempt by that group of extremely brave men from the town.

The women knew the kind of revenge he was about to unleash so they tried in vain to make it appear like the town supported him unconditionally. He then got up on a podium telling them not to worry, that he knew that those who tried to kill him weren't representative of the town, and were enemies of Iraq, acting on behalf of the zionists, etc. etc.

The next shot is of Saddam in converse with his henchmen. Later that day hundreds of men and boys from Dujail were murdered. That was 1982 so one can only imagine what the middle east would look like today if that group of men from Dujail had got their man. Its all academic now but at least finally they'll get justice 24 years on.


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15. Tuesday, November 7, 2006 9:13 AM
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So far as I know there have been no martyrdom shrines set up for Zarqawi, Qusay or Ouday and their multiple would be defense attorneys are also still alive. 

Death = It Saves Lives. 

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16. Tuesday, November 7, 2006 10:10 AM
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US troops should've just shot him when they found him instead of going through the circus. The result is the same.

And the good news is that Bush critics would have one more item to add to their list.


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17. Tuesday, November 7, 2006 10:18 AM
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US troops should've just shot him when they found him instead of going through the circus. The result is the same.

And the good news is that Bush critics would have one more item to add to their list.

After all, it would have saved him from that grotesque humiliation of being checked over by a US military doctor.


     
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18. Friday, November 10, 2006 2:29 AM
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Well this guy agrees with me:

Mubarak warns on Saddam execution
 
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has warned that hanging former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein will lead to even more bloodshed in Iraq.

A Baghdad court condemned Saddam Hussein to death on Sunday for the killing of 148 Shia Muslims after a 1982 assassination attempt against him.

Mr Mubarak said hanging the former president would only enhance sectarian and ethnic divisions between Iraqis.

They are the first public comments on the sentence by an Arab leader.

"Carrying out this verdict will explode violence like waterfalls in Iraq," Mr Mubarak is quoted as saying by Egyptian state-run newspapers.

The verdict "will transform (Iraq) into pools of blood and lead to a deepening of the sectarian and ethnic conflicts," he said.

'Festering sore'

A long-time critic of Saddam Hussein and ally of the US, Mr Mubarak and other Arab leaders are alarmed by the relentless violence in the country.

The BBC's Heba Saleh, in Cairo, says many Arab leaders can see Iraq turning into a festering sore, radicalising youth across the region and creating more anti-American sentiment.

She says that despite their view of Saddam Hussein as a dictator who brought disaster on his people, many have serious reservations about his trial, held under what they consider US occupation.

In an interview earlier this week, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki told the BBC that if the appeals court confirmed Saddam Hussein's sentence, "it will be the government's responsibility to carry it out".

He said that the former Iraqi leader could be hanged by the end of the year.

 

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/6134626.stm

Published: 2006/11/10 00:08:26 GMT

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19. Friday, December 29, 2006 10:28 AM
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...today?  Tomorrow???

Speculation in Baghdad that Saddam Hussein could be executed within hours. He was handed over to Iraqi authorities Friday. US forces high alert

December 29, 2006, 7:23 PM (GMT+02:00)




Saddam handed over his will to his half-brothers. His execution on Sunni Muslim Feast pf Sacrifice is controversial. He said in an earlier letter he is will to sacrifice himself for the Iraqi people and would die as a martyr. The Iraqi government has come under considerable international pressure not to execute sentence. The former Iraqi ruler was condemned together with his half-brother Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikrity and the former chairman of the Baath revolutionary courts Awad Ahmad al Bandar. The pleas have come from the European Union, the Vatican and some UN agencies.

Iraq’s Baath warned of Thursday of grave consequences if their leader goes to the gallows. An internet message said the US would be held responsible. “The Baath and the resistance are determined to retaliate in all ways and places that hurt America and its interests.” Retaliation was also threatened against the Iraqi High Tribunal which upheld the death sentence. If Saddam is executed, the largely Sunni-Arab Baathists who dominate the insurgency vow to shut down national reconciliation negotiations.

 


     
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20. Friday, December 29, 2006 6:34 PM
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Well I guess Saddam is hugely grateful for the opportunity of two extra years to restore his image after the humiliation of being caught cowering in a 'rat-hole'. His trial was farcical, the outcome predetermined before it even began. Matyrdom at the hands of the great Satan must be the virtual cherry-on-top.

I hope for the sake of the Iraqi people that some good comes out of this awful, bloody mess. 

(Sorry but everything about Iraq just depresses the hell out of me right now). 


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21. Friday, December 29, 2006 8:32 PM
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He dead...I'll sleep tonight.

 I really hope this is a turning point (for the better) in Iraq.


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22. Friday, December 29, 2006 8:58 PM
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Hmm, I don't think Saddam's death will have much impact one way or the other on Iraq.  In fact, it seems a little anti-climatic based on reactions they're showing in Baghdad thus far.  Lot of celebrating in Dearborn, Michigan but even so, it's muted. 

Ding dong the wicked witch is dead.  For all practical purposes, he was a dead man the day he was captured.  Probably would have served everyone better if he had experienced a John Wilkes Booth ending.

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23. Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:26 AM
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In Memoriam

Its surprising there isn't more public outpouring of grief in Iraq. I mean, this guy won 99% of the vote ;-)


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24. Saturday, December 30, 2006 7:42 PM
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His execution was taped for historical purposes. I can't wait for the director's cut special edition DVD with commentary track by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld!

Erwin 


 The video has leaked to the web already. I got to the noose being applied and minimised the window...couldn't watch the rest

 


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25. Saturday, December 30, 2006 8:36 PM
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Well, now the rotten bastard can join his friends Yasser Arafat, Richard Nixon, Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler, Mousie Dung (oh- Mao Tse Tung - they keep changing the spelling!), Milosovic, Josef Stalin, Whoever the Turk was who murdered all the Armenians in 1915, Geghis Khan and all the other mass murdering monsters in Hell. Castro next! Ahmanidinejad standing in line! "I'm So Ronery" Kim Jong (is so) Il standing in line too!

And Susan, geez, the last time I was in Dearborn was for an affair at the Ford Rotunda. Dearborn was where all the managers and white collar workers from the Ford Headquarters lived. You mean it's changed? And what about Hamtramck? All the Polish Auto Workers lived there, and the place was full of little machine and Tool & Die shops? Why is there a broadcast Call To Prayers there everyday now?

 

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