"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

I'll give credit to Obama for pushing faith-based initiatives. I think it's a fine thing. From what I understand, Obama's plan wouldn't be much different than what Bush did. I rememer people up in arms about the prostelyzing, but there were restrictions there for Bush's. I don't know how many restrictions Obama will add but I'm guessing it's more politics/talk than it actual change.

It comes down to this - If you're taking taxpayer money for anything, you shouldn't be pushing for any doctorine, theory, and or belief system in any aspect.

The bill doesn't have to be perfect, BUT it's not even NEAR PERFECT. We rushed into this bill saying that it had to be done otherwise hell fire and brimstone would rain down on us. Back in the early 80s when Reagan's presidency started, they were in worse situation than we are now, and they took 9 months to figure out their bill! and yet, we took 1 month? I'll even throw on 2 more months (November and December) to that - so 3 months.

Trust me - I would love for it to work. But after seeing only $52/mo tax cuts, and some stimulus checks later this year and then again next year which people will just pay down debt or stash away as we all did last year (Kelly and I didn't - we went on a cruise!), it won't help any. There's just not enough long-term job creation - that even economic "experts" are saying won't help in the scheme of things.

Maybe all the talk of the pork-barreling was just talk. Since no one actually had time to read the bill, no one really knows what's in it in the end, and we can only hope....

Speaking of poop taxes:

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,24659589-5005369,00.html

Jordan .

whether they reach for water or gasoline - one thing is for sure, someone is going to be paying ot cleanup what the flood or fire leaves behind

if economy starts to improve in the next two years, expect taxes to go up dramatically! and if it ain't taxes, it will be inflation, and we don't want either to happen right now. That talk about taxing the rich and the rich being somewhere around 250,000 will suddenly get knocked down to about 100,000 which is far from "rich."

Jordan .

i dunno, my household makes about 100,000 and i feel pretty damn wealthy most days. what with owning my own home, not starving to death, cable tv, internet access, all that jazz. compared to the rest of the world i'm rich as all hell

but yeah, that's a LITTLE low to start taxing the shit out of people. i don't think we could keep our lifestyle if we were taxed 15% more or something

Jordan .

ah yes, LA. gooness gracious.

  OSHA's presence didn't exactly prevent that problem, either. Or nip it in the bud. The product was voluntarily recalled. Think about ABC vs Food Lion. These giant organizations just can't be everywhere at once. Think of all the jobs privatized food monitoring would create.

Check out the FDA's food defect action levels to see how much maggot, droppings, rot, parasite, mildew- even cigarette butts- the gov lets you eat: http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dalbook.html

Well, since you put it that way. My trust in the competence of government agencies is completely restored.

Jordan .

Ok then, disregarding that specific example, are you now attempting to claim that deregulation and privitization as far as the eye can see isn't one of the right's fondest dreams?

"clinton did it too!" doesn't excuse terrible policies ever

My point is that when push comes to shove, it's ALL RHETORIC.

Dems aren't actually trying to do anything. It's all talk. They will talk about how the mean ol GOP is doing deregulation, but when they have a chance to do something about it, they do nothing. thus me bringing up Clinton. President has the abilty to do some of this through executive orders without the need for Congress.

GOP has been hammered by the Dems regarding lack of oversight, and yet when finally Dems have a chance to do something about it, they don't do anything either. That's my point.

It's just a bunch of political games and rhetoric. The sooner we all realize that the Dems and GOP don't have our general interest in mind, the sooner we can actually do something about it. Remember, they work for us, they are using OUR money (it's not govt money - it's ours) and the sooner American people remember that (or figure that out) the better off we will all be.

Until then, grab those bootstraps because neither party cares one iota about the average American. It's all power games and power grab.

Jordan .

Its' 10:30 Central, take a look at Drudge. in case you miss it:

VIDEO: 'The government is promoting bad behavior... do we really want to subsidize the losers' mortgages... This is America! How many of you people want to pay for your neighbor's mortgage? President Obama are you listening? How about we all stop paying our mortage! It's a moral hazard'... MORE...

TRADERS REVOLT: CNBC HOST CALLS FOR NEW 'TEA PARTY'; CHICAGO FLOOR MOCKS OBAMA PLAN

Jordan .

 i agreed with the majority of this post, but i still think it's up to us to care about each other, whether it's that piece of chicken i bought that homeless guy last week or being in favor of some kind of welfare system, or whatever. i really hope none of us* are so jaded that it's time for a "fuck you, i've got mine" mentality

*on the board, not in the world at large, that's way too much to hope for :)

"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper