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| 101. Friday, May 15, 2009 9:09 AM |
| coolspringsj |
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Oh, gio. You know you loved it. Is the Locke that went into Jacob's lair the smoke monster?
"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this." -Dale Cooper
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| 102. Friday, May 15, 2009 9:35 AM |
| bio_hazard |
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| QUOTE: The finale was a majorly two-sided affair for me. On the one hand, I loved the 2007-events, and Jacob vs. Anti-Jacob or whatever he is. It explains a lot of things tidily and it's just a great idea. I loved how Locke ended up just being used again too. He really does have an epically tragic storyline. I don't like what Ben turned out to be. He was such a clever manipulator and cool character previously, I just don't buy how he is being obviously manipulated, and he's just acting like a child now. Anyway, this half of the story was good. On the other hand, I hated the whole bomb thing. I like LOST's use of Time Travel on the whole. It's believable, and scientific as much as that is possible with such a metaphysical concept. But it makes no sense how detonating a bomb could change time. The writers keep on talking about course-correcting and then using this analogy of when a big enough boulder drops into the river time has to change. Which is just rubbish to me. But the worst thing was the character's decisions. Juliet and Jack willing to blow up the island and probably killing all those people just because of their love lives!! I found myself hating them for that. Sawyer was the only character that seemed sane in any way, but he went along with it too! Really out-of-character and just plain stupid decision making. At least I won't be so eager for the hiatus to end this time...
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I agree with your other hand, but it didn't detract from the overall awesomeness for me. This has been a show where you've always had to suspend your disbelief somewhat. The Sawyer-Juliet-Kate-Jack relationship had been brewing all season, so it was kind of a relief to see something actually happen.
J- I saw that theory about the smoke monster somewhere else too. It would make sense but I don't know that we have a whole lot to support that (do we?). I think this deepens the mystery of Richard Alpert quite a bit though. So Richard appears to be working for Jacob, but he also set in motion Locke dying and then apparently being used by Jacob's enemy.
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| 103. Friday, May 15, 2009 9:45 AM |
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How are they going to explain the bomb in 77 allowing the Losties to go back to the same time period as Jacob, Locke, Ben, etc.?
"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this." -Dale Cooper
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| 104. Friday, May 15, 2009 4:03 PM |
| giospurs |
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| QUOTE:How are they going to explain the bomb in 77 allowing the Losties to go back to the same time period as Jacob, Locke, Ben, etc.? |
That's one of the things I have trouble with. I know they said that Faraday had made all these calculations, but they didn't even attempt to explain them. Maybe the release of all that electromagnetic power will correct the previous changes in time and send them back to their proper timeperiod.
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| 105. Friday, May 15, 2009 4:10 PM |
| giospurs |
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QUOTE:| QUOTE: The finale was a majorly two-sided affair for me. On the one hand, I loved the 2007-events, and Jacob vs. Anti-Jacob or whatever he is. It explains a lot of things tidily and it's just a great idea. I loved how Locke ended up just being used again too. He really does have an epically tragic storyline. I don't like what Ben turned out to be. He was such a clever manipulator and cool character previously, I just don't buy how he is being obviously manipulated, and he's just acting like a child now. Anyway, this half of the story was good. On the other hand, I hated the whole bomb thing. I like LOST's use of Time Travel on the whole. It's believable, and scientific as much as that is possible with such a metaphysical concept. But it makes no sense how detonating a bomb could change time. The writers keep on talking about course-correcting and then using this analogy of when a big enough boulder drops into the river time has to change. Which is just rubbish to me. But the worst thing was the character's decisions. Juliet and Jack willing to blow up the island and probably killing all those people just because of their love lives!! I found myself hating them for that. Sawyer was the only character that seemed sane in any way, but he went along with it too! Really out-of-character and just plain stupid decision making. At least I won't be so eager for the hiatus to end this time...
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I agree with your other hand, but it didn't detract from the overall awesomeness for me. This has been a show where you've always had to suspend your disbelief somewhat. The Sawyer-Juliet-Kate-Jack relationship had been brewing all season, so it was kind of a relief to see something actually happen.
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I think I would have actually enjoyed the emotional relationship stuff if it wasn't the main deciding point over whether to blow up a hydrogen bomb! Does this not seem slightly immoral to anyone else? Blowing up a bomb for the sake of a hunch... And Jack's argument was that he was gonna save people by doing it!?
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| 106. Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:08 PM |
| 12rainbow |
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I got into Lost last month. I loathe TV because it is too efficient of a time-killer and distraction from productive pastimes, but I needed distraction.
The first Season was pretty fluffy, Season 2 only a little less so, and admittedly I just had fun mocking the relationship setups and the predictable action -> slo mo sappy music sequences to grab as much viewership as possible. If someone had taken the DVDs away, I wouldnt have missed it.
Season 3 More characters were introduced and became completely unpredictable. I think I called two or three things that happened. I kept watching just for the structure; unfolding in reverse, with all the flashbacks-- so many that it got annoying. My friends were PA's on part of this season, so it was fun hearing their stories. Especially about Matthew Fox being a dick.
Season 4 Too many new characters, but still. I loved having yet another change in environment. Great psychological stories, a lot of dramatic tension here. Cut short by the writer's strike, these characters became more meaningful in 5.
Season 5- Halfway through, I was hooked. Every seed of what was currently happening had been planted in earlier episodes. Just masterful writing.
So--- like TP, it challenges the mind. And, like TP, you can't start in the middle or miss an episode, or you're, well... lost. And though I'm not attached to ANY of the characters like I was in TP (Lost is far, far more plot driven and much more carefully executed in that regard,) some of them grew on me a little.
*********** As for the S 5 finale, I agree with giospurs about the lameness of the motivation of the leads. I think I called them all emo sissies. You think they'd been through enough that their petty interpersonal crap would make little difference and they'd have some developed a little bit of rationality. They actually seemed more reasonable when they first crashed.
As for coolsprings suggestion about the black smoke, I think this is right on. I developed a Biblical reading of this thread of the mythology. If this is true, Jacob was the physical manifestation of an even greater being that represents an ambivalent "good," and the black smoke/man in black is the necessary "evil" (that is to some extent under control of this force of creation.)
'Liked Miles and Farraday alot, and the physics of time travel was very well done. Hurley is the Albert of the show in that he has all the best lines.
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| 107. Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:53 PM |
| B |
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Good, I'm not the only one running behind on pop culture. I watched the first four seasons of Lost over the summer. I'm trying to skip over everyone's comments on Season 5 since I won't be able to see that until the December 8th dvd release date. My goal is to be up to date in time for Season 6 in January.
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| 108. Friday, November 13, 2009 2:24 PM |
| giospurs |
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QUOTE: You think they'd been through enough that their petty interpersonal crap would make little difference and they'd have some developed a little bit of rationality. They actually seemed more reasonable when they first crashed.
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The character arcs on Lost are really exciting, but when I think about them I'm not sure many of them really make sense. In some ways the characters are disillusioned but they're still somehow caught up in their stupid romances! I suppose you have to remember that a major running theme is how the Island offers them redemption from past ways. If they all just became suicidal it wouldn't fit in with that theme.
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| 109. Friday, November 13, 2009 11:43 PM |
| 12rainbow |
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Really. Like, it's great that they are flawed, but those last few decisions seem a tad thrown together at the last minute, fast and sloppy. Unless there is something about electromagnetism that makes everyone in proximity really easily convinced.
Mr Boob Tube Dude's blog said everything suddenly revolving around Kate, yet Kate having no will of her own, either, was stupid and that he half expects the Swan to turn out to be named for her beauty.
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| 110. Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:22 PM |
| 12rainbow |
RE: Lost |
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Well, the writers say the final finale this year will not be mind bendy like other seasons.
http://video.hollywoodreporter.com/services/player/bcpid769343686?bctid=1544597630
Yet he says there will still be questions left unanswered that they don't plan on explaining later, never to be returned to. They say they are quitting while at the top of their game. So will Lost message boards survive as long as this one? Time will tell!
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| 111. Saturday, February 6, 2010 8:08 AM |
| giospurs |
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So, who watched the season premiere? A lot of people seemed to love it, but I was slightly disappointed. I certainly wasn't thrilled when I first realised they're new form of storytelling was gonna be. It was well executed, but it didn't seem like the way to start wrapping things up; instead it's just producing more confusion (in me anyway).
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