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426. Wednesday, May 7, 2008 3:58 AM
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Grrr....so close.  I thought Indiana was a possibility.

Should Senator Clinton decide to stay in the race (for whatever reason) she's guaranteed a pretty stonkingly large victory in West Virginia, methinks.  Nowhere near enough to be a 'game-changer', but maybe enough to make the talking heads spin around in a tizzy until Oregon/Kentucky. 


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427. Wednesday, May 7, 2008 7:38 AM
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This game is offiicially over, IMO. Obama is the nominee. Up until last night, Hillary had a slim chance but after a 14 point loss in NC and only a 2 pt win in IN, she has no chance at this point -- not unless she starts bribing superdelegates (so that's where that 6.4 million she is loaning herself is going!!).

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428. Wednesday, May 7, 2008 8:16 AM
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I watched the punditry until I fell asleep last night on all channels. Then this morning I made the rounds. I haven't heard ANYONE who's of the opinion that Hillary has a chance now. Did you guys see Bill Clinton's face as he stood wanly clapping at her rear? The thought cloud was nearly legible.

Herofix, it's time to get that absentee ballot process going. I think you have a candidate!

 

McGovern, early supporter of Clinton, is just now urging Hillary to give it up.  He is now officially endorsing Obama.  Will Gore be next to state his preference?   

 

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429. Wednesday, May 7, 2008 11:27 AM
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That's okay Hillary....there's still 2012 if McCain wins.


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430. Wednesday, May 7, 2008 2:11 PM
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QUOTE:That's okay Hillary....there's still 2012 if McCain wins.

 

At which point the campaign song would be When I'm 64...


     
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431. Wednesday, May 7, 2008 10:45 PM
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Oh man, the Reps proffer McCain-Ironman.

And it looks like tax profits on the industry we need to supply the oil for the Dems guaranteed to raise gas prices. Also scrap the free trade with Columbia legislation and use tariffs ? Well, you need congress to do this stuff but the congress may well be filibuster proof for the Dems.

I may stay home this November.

 
432. Thursday, May 8, 2008 6:40 AM
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Bill Clinton's face as he stood wanly clapping at her rear?

Please, nobody ever type this sentence again. *Shudder*


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433. Thursday, May 8, 2008 10:03 PM
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The Dems and some farm state Reps have a farm bill that will hand out 25 Billion to BIG FARMs, Wrong move. stop giving billions to Big Corporate farms when they are having windfall profits. But instead the Dems want to punish one industry and windfall on another. Obama should lay out a business and trade friendly approach like Bill Clinton did.IMO  

Just one comment on Bill Clinton's appearance. I thought he was unbelievably red faced rather than wan. The clapping was weak though. That is all. Enjoy.

 
434. Monday, May 12, 2008 5:06 PM
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Kelly and I watched part 1 of Bill O'Reilly's interview with Hillary from last week. It was really good -- I'm sure it's on YouTube somwhere.

In that same show, Dick Morris said that Hillary ended up netting 10 delegates in PA. I was off by 1.

WOW!! Now this was close!


 like i said going to be a close if not a tie between these two... chirp chirp

 

 
435. Monday, May 12, 2008 5:10 PM
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QUOTE:

I watched the punditry until I fell asleep last night on all channels. Then this morning I made the rounds. I haven't heard ANYONE who's of the opinion that Hillary has a chance now. Did you guys see Bill Clinton's face as he stood wanly clapping at her rear? The thought cloud was nearly legible.

Herofix, it's time to get that absentee ballot process going. I think you have a candidate!

 

McGovern, early supporter of Clinton, is just now urging Hillary to give it up.  He is now officially endorsing Obama.  Will Gore be next to state his preference?   

 

Susan


 why are these people so hell bent on making her quit?!?! wtf so let her keep going i mean seriously..... if and i say if obama's peeps think he's going to win, then what's it to them if she stays in and tries to win this thing?!?! shouldn't be an issue unless these people are truly worried she might be able to win this in the end.  i just would rather these two team up and be done with it is all... and mccain is freaking me out.... sounding like that guy from mars attacks with the "nuke 'em all" spouts!! LOL

 

 
436. Monday, May 12, 2008 7:19 PM
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Well belladawna, I find it typical and interesting that Ted Kennedy is urging Hillary to drop out. T. Kennedy was 1,000 votes behind Carter in 1980 and HE dragged it to the Convention floor ! cHAPAQUAK.

And I guess if she is within the rules to continue on, so be it. There , I have moved in your position on this. 9*

A diminished Kennedy v. Clinton wings of the party. O will not IMO choose Hillary.

 
437. Monday, May 12, 2008 7:32 PM
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hILLARY IS A FIGHTER-CREDIT WHERE DUE DEPARTMENT.

tHAT GREAT SPEECH GIVER AND NICE  CALM GUY oBAMMA should retHINK HIS Oil as target for hate and attack. I thought his health care plan was at least more realistic than Hillary's, i'd go for a private plan, including health insurance companies to offer rates for all the states. Currently each state ( yes, I am for state;s rights, but...) covers the insured and the coverage is not portable. The pool that composes the basis for rates would be large,diverse and with head to head competition rates should go down.

I want positions from the candidates- the more specific proposals I hear the less affinity I feel with that candidate.

 
438. Monday, May 12, 2008 8:34 PM
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439. Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:17 PM
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Well, you can quote Time all you want ( and they are correct in this case) but...

Sean Penn is not drowning in the media love affair with Obama.

Pean accuses him [Obama] of a “phenomenally inhuman and unconstitutional” voting record.

www.telegraph.co.uk

 
440. Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:31 PM
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Smokin' Sean, huh?  Tee hee!

 Well, John Edwards took the plunge today and has endorsed Obama.  Guess he's looking for the cabinet post.

 

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441. Thursday, May 15, 2008 3:16 PM
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I remember way way back a few whole months ago Edwards was pushing his " two Americas" theme. Today in endorsing Obama he said we must join with Barrack and his "one America" theme. Okaayy John.

If I remember correctly Edwards could not even help Kerry win in Edward's home state of South North Carolina !!!

I know I have been hard on Hillary, but I agree with belladawna that she has the right to continue her campaign. Lay off Hillary !! Written with an almost straight face.

 
442. Monday, May 19, 2008 4:09 PM
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The Dems have been at this too long. It's reflecting poorly on the party's organization.

 
443. Monday, May 19, 2008 5:12 PM
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Yeah, this reflection on the Dem leaders is not really new or a bad thing :)

Obama cuts off debate with a touchy righteous appearing "mandate" proclaiming no questions on " his wife" will be allowed and they were met with a forceful leader/candidate for US Prez. 

Well, excuuse me but a have an observation and question for Michelle Obama. How long are your hands ? peripheral stuff but they are huge appearing especially when being waved.

Taking the substantive high road. [cough] 

 
444. Tuesday, May 20, 2008 12:51 PM
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QUOTE:The Dems have been at this too long. It's reflecting poorly on the party's organization.

 

In the nicest way possible, such a comment reflects mostly the poor understanding of presidential primaries. 

The Republicans are still engaged in their primaries as well.  The difference in media coverage is because they have a presumptive nominee in their race due to their race not being as close.

It is in fact each state that determines when their primaries or delegate-awarding caucuses occur (more or less). Not the Democratic Party.

I could make the point (for the millionth time) that there is in fact a presumptive nominee for the Democrats as well, but I'll wait until the yapping yipping talking heads on teevee pull themselves out of their own arses for long enough to enlighten their audiences to that fact.

 


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445. Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:57 PM
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QUOTE:
QUOTE:The Dems have been at this too long. It's reflecting poorly on the party's organization.

The Republicans are still engaged in their primaries as well. 

 The Republican primaries ended on March 4 with Huckabee, and Ron Paul gave in on the 6th. It's over.  

A "close race" simply means that Democrats haven't been able to firmly stand behind one leader.  Clinton won't bow down or join forces with Obama, they continue to bicker mindlessly as they campaign. It's a lack of unity. Disorganization.

 

 
446. Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:09 PM
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A few months ago i thought Obama was refreshing . That was the "Change" period.

As Change begins to be delineated to some degree I don't find myself on board the Obama media express any longer.

O talks like Jimmie Carter telling the rest of us we can't drive our SUVs or heat our homes comfortably. Change. ( well. Actually i have cut down on driving and don't goose my thermostat as it is). But this sounds like " malaise" to me.

O is on the get Big Oil bandwagon. Create a false party responsible for the oil spike. Negative and misguided response. IMO.

O wants to sit down with no preconditions with Achmadinejihad. The good old United Nations and Europe oppose this approach via international resolutions. So, forget the UN (actually not a bad idea). So letting Isreal be a smoldering corpse as a position is Ok with O. He will just talk Change to Achmad and all will be well?

O has his wife making many political speeches and yet she cannot be questioned? Wrong-this isn't a stay at home Betty Crocker. 

More later. but i think O is a neophyte candidate with left appeasing sophomoric solutions and a penchant for mandates. Imagine the new gov't bureaucracies and wasteful legislation a Dem prez and a Dem congress in full control can wrought.

 

 
447. Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:06 PM
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Raymond - That is so 1990's.

In my opinion, he'll be an excellent President.  I think you'll find when it's all done and dusted that after Obama's eight years in the oval office, most of this hand-wringing will be unwarranted. 


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448. Friday, May 23, 2008 2:16 PM
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Ya know. you are a good guy and it was nice to be on the same street for awhile. Sincerely.

But Hero, In Europe-especially Northern Europe there is a generally positive and content feeling about government with a hearty slice of the public sector. that's good for those citizens in that setting.

But even Putin sees the advantage in pro business moves-the reduced production tax that will benefit Russian companies and with a trickle down, benefit the people at large. Europe to some degree and the emerging BRIC countries and others are laughing all the way to the bank with the positive effects their developed western based pro business approach has provided them. An apparent time warp speech like O's telling the US population to not drive SUVs and keep that thermostat at sweater levels. That is exactly the Carter malaise (that with a weak foreign policy as in Iranian hostages of hundreds of US students for about a year, until Raygun took over) that dogged the US economy in the later eighties. O's approach on the international scene shows me his undeveloped international smarts. UN, allies, seeking good counsel !! appeared absent with O.

more latter. 

 OK to demonize those that provide our life sustaining necessary oil (owned largely by union and company and yes, government workers and retiries) is a step that may triangulate with some bitter gun enthusiasts of whom O spoke with superiority, but it is an ass bckwards deal. Bush failed on vetoing and jaw boning for responsible govt. spending. ( he was however a supporter of Anwar which was killed to prevent any disturbance to a caribou herd one month a year. Anwar is perhaps one contributor to the food shortage and "disturbance" to millions of other mammals ). but that will be minor compared to an anti business bureaucracy establishing DEm  gov't. i.e. tax, regulate, trade war, No trade agreement, friendly to the US by the way, with Columbia, deter business except for pork barrel projects that could never function in an un mandated and subsidized economy ! establish bureaus with cancer like unstopable growth. And most of all perpetuate and grow government itself populated by the backbiting, people be damned, narcissistic bunch they are. Government is a career long growth industry that mimics biology and abnormal-cancer like-cell growth.

Someone here said we would be well off if the media went back to news and halted their full time agenda pushing"commentary". The person also said the government should butt out and take a walk. Oh boy, our future in the hands of admitted activist politicians- in full power ! Expect more intervention from those who mostly know bumper sticker pandering credos and throwing monkey wrenches into our economy. Please deliver us. 

I take exception with Barry's history lesson. He cites as examples of his no precondition meetings with enemies. His Examples : FDR and Truman met with Stalin when we were allies against Nazi Germany ! Do they teach history in the Ivy League ? And then he cites Nixon- Umpteen meetings were held to work out preconditions BEFORE Nixon went to China. He cites JFK meeting with Krushy. Well, JFK was a strong anti communist ( and a Dem tax cutter ! ) but his meeting was/is considered a weak showing that bolstered the USSR. And JFK although new to the job had much more foreign experience than Barry. Barry would also disregard UN Resolutions prohibiting a meeting with Achmad while they continue their nuke program. Barry is a serious amateur and poor student of history to be leading US foreign policy. 

Michelle Obama speaks of what her husband, as President, will "demand" and "allow" of the American people. Oh really ? And Obama tells us that we can not continue to "eat all we want" and "drive SUVs". This is more so 80s rather than 90s to my thinking.

 
449. Saturday, May 24, 2008 10:02 AM
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Hillary and the "a" word is the buzz in the US media these days. Late last night I heard a TV discussion over whether this is (finally!) the Kiss of Death that she recognizes as such.

If you haven't been following the punditry since yesterday perhaps you missed it and don't know which "a" word I reference. Assassination. As in RFK's assassination just after winning the California primary in 1968. In June. So the point is that if there had been a close second (like a Hillary Clinton) back then, he (or she - ha ha ha) could have jumped right into the fray as the presumptive candidate?

Not sure what her point was but I took it to mean that we don't know what can happen in this crazy world. If Obama were to be struck down ala RFK, and she's dropped out of the race, well, then... What?

I guess she's just trying to come up with a good reason to stay in the race.

With three of 100 US senators out on the campaign trail for so long, has anyone thought the Congress to have been less effective over these long months? Maybe we don't need so many politicians after all. Wonder how Illinois, Arizona and New York have endured this hardship.

To say nothing of the future of yet another tragic Kennedy and his problematic medical future.

Susan

 

 


     
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450. Sunday, June 1, 2008 6:29 AM
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great little video


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