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176. Monday, January 7, 2008 9:40 AM
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I can swallow a Obama Presidency over a Hilldog Presidency any day.


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177. Monday, January 7, 2008 12:03 PM
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QUOTE:I can swallow a Obama Presidency over a Hilldog Presidency any day.


 I can't help but laugh because I just read a story about Obama accidentaly saying 'the time for come has changed'.

I blame Booth for saying camel-toe  - I am very easily influenced.


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178. Monday, January 7, 2008 12:11 PM
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BTW Hero - I am enjoying your bet ratios. It's an interesting trend - and seems to be in line with the polls!!


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179. Tuesday, January 8, 2008 1:15 AM
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Ron Paul is the man of the House.

The rest is histrionics.

And polls are for sissies.

Read all about Frank Luntz.

Don't get Luntzed! 


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180. Tuesday, January 8, 2008 10:54 AM
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Ohboy ohboy would I like to book some action on the candidacy of Ron Paul.  You name the odds.  I'll take them all. 

Some people are destined to NEVER be President of the United States.  Most of us, in fact.  But some who are or have run are especially destined to never be President or even the nominee.  George Wallace.  Ross Perot.  Al Sharpton.  Harry Brown.  Quantum "scientist" John TM Hagelin.  And now Ron Paul even with the massive support of the White Supremacist and Neo-Nazis. Even with the fervor of the anti-taxation, anti-war, isolationist minions from varying camps. 

Not.

Gonna.

Happen.

Ever.

In as many lifetimes as you cats can imagine living.

Nope.

Nunca.

Jamais.

Never. 

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181. Tuesday, January 8, 2008 11:59 AM
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Susan - supposing the bottom collapsed out of the dollar next week - within another week it was worth 10 Canadian cents.  Frantic and suicidal Wall Street traders started howling for the heads of Bernanke and Greenspan on CNN.  Every country in the world started desperately trying to sell their holdings in US dollars and the Euro became the standard worldwide reserve currency, and buying a barrel of oil in greenbacks became a thing of the past overnight......total utter catastrophic market crash ensued complete with bank runs, massive banks going to the wall, and invested pensions being wiped out.

Even then?


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182. Tuesday, January 8, 2008 12:16 PM
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QUOTE:

Susan - supposing the bottom collapsed out of the dollar next week - within another week it was worth 10 Canadian cents. Frantic and suicidal Wall Street traders started howling for the heads of Bernanke and Greenspan on CNN. Every country in the world started desperately trying to sell their holdings in US dollars and the Euro became the standard worldwide reserve currency, and buying a barrel of oil in greenbacks became a thing of the past overnight......total utter catastrophic market crash ensued complete with bank runs, massive banks going to the wall, and invested pensions being wiped out.

Even then?

Wow, a scenario like that might really inspire.... CHANGE.  Spare change.

But especially with that sort of catastrophic situation, I think it's Obama.  Only this time it would be a landslide along the order of Reagan-Mondale or Nixon-McGovern.  No worries about chad-counting or Supreme Court decisions with that.

And no Ron Paul.

Ever.

Ever.

Ever.

Destined to be a Trivial Pursuit question in the 2009 Edition. 

I'm still entertaining all wagers.  Any $ where the mouths are?  Let's go for it before a one dollar bet is worth $.10 Canadian! 

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183. Tuesday, January 8, 2008 1:39 PM
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I'm still entertaining all wagers. Any $ where the mouths are? Let's go for it before a one dollar bet is worth $.10 Canadian!

No, haven't you heard?  Parity between the US and Canadian dollars was manufactured, and will be kept artificially in place, in order to build support for the Amero! 


 
184. Tuesday, January 8, 2008 3:19 PM
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QUOTE:

I'm still entertaining all wagers. Any $ where the mouths are? Let's go for it before a one dollar bet is worth $.10 Canadian!

No, haven't you heard?  Parity between the US and Canadian dollars was manufactured, and will be kept artificially in place, in order to build support for the Amero! 


 I had not heard of this until 2 days ago, funnily enough, when my father told me that exact scenario.

*sigh*  He stressed that it doesn't matter to him anyway, since he will be getting a perfect government at some stage that he doesn't need to vote for.  Not that he can vote, since he's lost out on all that since he got caught up in this 'Patriot' scene that discussed nothing but the XVIth Amendment (occasionaly also the IInd).


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185. Tuesday, January 8, 2008 6:26 PM
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So McCain wins in NH and Hillary is currently up on Obama but too close to call.  Maybe it helped that Hillary showed her human side yesterday?  Who knows, but maybe the people of NH just want to have longer to see how Obama shakes down.


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186. Tuesday, January 8, 2008 6:31 PM
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QUOTE: Maybe it helped that Hillary showed her human side yesterday?

I rather liked the comment I heard that suggested she might end up looking like Ed Muskie in a pantsuit.

It remains to be seen if Hillary's "human side" ends up as the equivalent of Howard Dean's warm shriek eight years ago.  

 

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187. Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:34 PM
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She's back. (per AP)with a couple college towns to go-that could help O close, but.....

 
188. Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:46 PM
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Drudge is nothing if not consistently reliable.


 
189. Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:52 PM
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Drudge is my friend - site is up on my computer all the time at work :)

Yep looks like Hilldog won this one. Very close! Less than 5800 votes as of right now. Romney and McCain are pretty close too.


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190. Wednesday, January 9, 2008 5:30 AM
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I checked Drudge at 1:01 AM for the first exit polls and results, and my jaw just about hit the floor.

I hereby solemnly swear never to pay the minutest attention to a poll or betting odds site again (intentionally).

I'm grumpy today.


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191. Wednesday, January 9, 2008 6:43 AM
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192. Wednesday, January 9, 2008 9:47 AM
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I see a Monica joke in that picture...


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193. Wednesday, January 9, 2008 10:24 AM
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The Republican polls were dead on.

How disappointing.

And how quickly things change.

I see Ron Paul came in last...

Susan 


     
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194. Wednesday, January 9, 2008 11:21 AM
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Not a good look.


 
195. Wednesday, January 9, 2008 2:27 PM
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Google ads...apropos as always.


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196. Wednesday, January 9, 2008 5:50 PM
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Rassmussen has an interesting take on the polls versus results. He also mentions that the GOP polls were correct, but the DNC was not which is interesting to me. Quite likely that Hilldog's emotional moment on Sunday put her over the edge. I think that's the most liekly.

She's going to go on to win in Michigan since no other Dem is running, so it'll be interesting how the polls come up for the next real primary race.


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197. Wednesday, January 9, 2008 6:31 PM
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" I think that's the most liekly."

Hill's well-up was a planned act ?

"It's the tears. She pretended to cry, the women felt sorry for her, and she won," said Bill Kristol. So did his page-mate Maureen Dowd, that fierce feminist. So did many of my friends. Erica Jong

 
198. Wednesday, January 9, 2008 7:47 PM
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Ohmygawd, all the pundits are coming out of the woodwork today to explain their mistaken prognostications. Hahaha.

I've been hearing alot about the Bradley Syndrome today. Tom Bradley was the long term black mayor of Los Angeles. I voted for him back in the early 70s when his big campaign issue was rapid transit. And then I voted for him many more times. No term limits back then.

But then he ran for governor of California. The polls had Bradley ahead. But he lost.

The theory goes that when on the receiving end of a pollster's call, many (Democrats) will say, "I'm voting for ____ [the black guy]" But then, in the solitude of the polling booth, they vote for the white guy. This has happened on other Democratic tickets with Mayor Dinkins and Governor Wilder, so the name of the syndrome varies.

It's all wildly speculative. Who knows why the polls had Obama ahead by up to 13 percentage points? Not the pollsters. For some reason, the Vegas oddsmakers did far better.

I just believe that voting for the president is an emotional decision based more on the more sensory and ephemeral of feelings. Someone doesn't like a tearing-up moment.  Someone else doesn't like the fake smile and the helmet hair. Another thinks that saxaphone/guitar-playing stint on Jay Leno was shallow pandering and they say nope.  Maybe it's an unappealing spouse. 

Here's a couple of true stories on past votes I've cast and why.

In 1972 I made a point of calling myself "apolitical" and had no intention of voting. I was registered but had never voted in a presidential election. That summer, I had made the acquaintance of renowned womanizer, Warren Beatty, who was very politically charged and supporting George McGovern against Nixon. When I told him about my apoliticality, he answered with sensitivity, "That's a viable position." Yeah sure.

As election eve '72 was drawing to a close and the Pacific skies darkened, I was at home watching the election returns. Nixon was being declared the winner.  I went out before the polls closed at 8:00 pm and cast a vote for the loser.

It was my first election.

Four years earlier in 1968, Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. That was to be my first election. I turned 21 two months before the general election.  There was no way I could bring myself to vote for old Hubert Humphrey.  Nor would a 21-year old flower child cast her first presidential ballot for RICHARD NIXON!!! Fuggidabout it.

More recently, during the California recall election of Governor Gray Davis, I was completely intent on voting "NO." Hadn't voted for Gray Davis but I did not feel the governor had committed any major malfeasance. I also didn't think it a good idea to set a recall precedent in California. If you voted "NO," it was just a NO. You could not choose one of the 100+ alternative candidates running for governor of this silly state. Davis WAS going to be recalled. That was a certainty.

The polls had Schwartzeneggar way way ahead. It was also pretty much a given that he would win. The idea of voting for the Terminator as governor seemed beneath my dignity. But as the weeks went by leading up to the election, the LA Times was on a mission to destroy Arnold's chances. Every morning I'd pick up my paper and read yet another story about his having groped this or that actress in a trailer or on a movie set. I believed the stories. I just didn't care.

So I drive up to my polling booth. Turn off the engine. Lock the door. Cross the street and enter the garage. When I got my ballot all I could think about was the LA Times transparent electioneering. I voted YES on the recall and then voted for the winner.

Yeah, I'm shallow. (that's pretty obvious as I sip on Paris Hilton's fave drink, a golden can of Rich Prosecca) I know the issues. I know the platforms. But when it all shakes out, who(m) I vote for is based on a different set of criteria than any given politician's talking points.  I tend to think it's that way for most and even more so when it comes to the top office.


     
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199. Wednesday, January 9, 2008 10:35 PM
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Here's another possibility

you know it's an election year when the phrase "voter fraud" comes up! :)


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200. Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:40 AM
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I weep for Australian politics when I think we're heading down the path of the US system.

When a woman can cry and turn a vote, it's just so pathetic.  I'm sure all the candidates have a human side, all are capable of crying.  What does that prove?  Nothing.

All it shows to me is that a tired, desperate woman was exhausted and feeling defeated when she decided to try the oldest trick in most women's and kid's books - pour on the tears...

...I just can't believe it worked.

And her opponent seems equally vaccuous - Obama who is a great cheerleader, but doesn't seem to actually say ANYTHING!!  It's just hot air without substance.

Sorry USA, you seem destined for a dud President - and your electoral system is to blame.

 

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